“Giant” Malamute FAQ

There is a natural size range in Alaskan Malamutes, says so right there in our AKC Standard, but that Standard also says that the ideal Malamute should be 75lbs (female) to 85lbs (males).  Thousands of generations have resulted in that size range as the ideal for Malamutes.  Perfection.  There are breeds that should be 150-200 pounds, and if that’s what you want, you should consider getting a well-bred version of a Saint Bernard, Newfoundland, or Mastiff, because they are SUPPOSED to be that large.

But I want a “giant” Mal. 

And there are oh, so many breeders out there who will provide a “giant” Mal for you.  But beware of the trap.

What makes a Mal a giant? 

The breeder says so.  Really, all someone has to do is SAY they have giant lines and SAY they are producing giants.  There is no certification or spot check to decide someone is breeding the size they claim to breed.

Are giants M’Loots? 

No, there are no pure M’Loots anymore.  Breeders who advertise M’Loot Malamutes are preying on your ignorance.  ALL of today’s Malamutes, except a very few pure Kotzebues, are a blend of about 50/50 Kotzebue/M’Loot genes.  No one is breeding pure M’loot lines because they don’t exist.

Aren’t giants the original, true Malamute? 

Not even remotely true.  The original, true Alaskan Malamute was the Kotzebue, they ranged in size from 60-85lbs.  After a disaster in the Antarctic, the studbooks were reopened to allow more dogs into the AKC registry to maintain the breed.  This was a compromise between allowing non-Kotzebue into the AKC stud books and extinction.  This second wave of dogs were the M’Loot and the third or Hinman strain.  These second wave dogs were larger, and brought in more bone, bigger coats, red coats,  ChD/dwarfism, long-coats, and harsher temperaments.  The compromise standard called for a 75lb girl and an 85lb boy.  No where near giants, even then.  That new standard spells out that there is a natural variation in size in the Malamute, but preference should be given to the one closest to the standard of 75 & 85lbs.  The majority of kennels back in the day blended the Kotzebue & M’loot lines and we’ve continued that blending until today.

How big are the giants? 

That’s an interesting question.  Giant breeders are advertising wizards.  They frequently claim weights of up to 200lbs and more without even blushing  Yet none of these huge dogs ever manage to get on a vets scale AND have a vets assertion that they aren’t morbidly obese.  The highest weight ever recorded for a Malamute in the IWPA is 180lbs, on a dog that the previous year weighed 140lbs.  Maybe he was ill the first year, or maybe the second year’s weight was fat.  As a rescuer, I have seen many many dogs from so-called giant kennels, female Sakira was 54lbs, female Kentai was 80lbs.  Female Mariah was advertised as 140lbs, but her healthy weight here is 85lbs. Male Icebear was 104lbs.  Most “giant” stud dogs I have ever met, and they are considerable, was in the 90-110lb range, advertised sometimes 100lbs heavier than that online.

One exception’s vet weight was 135lbs, advertised much heavier, and had he been working in harness and not free fed all day, every day, that weight would have likely trimmed down to 115-120lbs.

And there were 2 others who were really big boys, ~150lbs actual (free fed, out-of-shape weight) who were so large that they couldn’t actually breed, their spines were fused straight because they carried so much extra weight.

But if the breeder says the dog is 200lbs on the website, isn’t it 200lbs?  Some giant breeders put notations on their dog’s pages of advertising weight and real weight.  They admit lying.  Once the admission of a lie is there, how can you trust even the so-called ‘real’ weight?

How do they get their dogs to those big weights? 

Well, if you want to put weight on a Malamute, free feed them.  Give a Mal an opportunity to eat all day, every day and guess what, they DO.  These dogs are NOT at a healthy weight and are not in good physical shape.  No serious competitor EVER free feeds their dogs, because they can’t have obese dogs waddling around the ring or pulling in harness.

What size can I expect from a giant puppy? 

100 LEAN lbs is a big girl, 110 LEAN lbs is a big boy, many are no where near those weights.  And, something to consider is that show kennels produce those weights as well, and bigger.  Many giants are significantly SMALLER than that as well.

Remember, there is a natural range in size in the Alaskan Malamute, this has happened over thousands of generations.  You can’t change genetics in a handful of generations to suddenly double the weight of a dog.

There are humans who are over 7′ tall.  They are the rare exception.  And they don’t generally come from parents who are over 7′ tall, and they don’t generally produce kids who are over 7′ tall.  Why would you expect a 150lb Malamute, almost double the “norm” for the breed, to be able to reproduce himself?

What are the main difference between giant kennels and standard kennels?

  1. Health warranties.  Giant breeders usually give a 12m health warranty and usually only against severe hip displasia.  Malamutes are not fully grown until they are 4yo.  Many diseases don’t show up until after 12 months.  A 12-month health warranty is a travesty and should tell you right away that you are dealing with someone who CAN’T warranty their dogs.
  2. Experience.  You know how to get 3 generations on your premises?  Buy a dog, breed him, breed his son when he’s a year old — presto chango “YOU” have three generations in 1 year.  Experience is not 3 generations, but decades of breeding healthy dogs and producing the same.
  3. Requirements of their puppy buyers. There won’t be many because once the check clears, they don’t want to hear from you.  They will SAY they require spay/neuter, but they won’t follow up the contract that probably didn’t get you to sign anyway.  In order to know if you are breeding a healthy generation, you must know what was produced in the previous generation.  Saying that people will call you with problems is not the same as FINDING OUT.  Puppy buyers should be reporting back with hips, eyes, and thyroid test results at 2years.  If the breeder doesn’t require this, how can they know what they are producing in the next generation?
  4. Hidden pedigrees.  I see this over and over again.  How hard could it be to put a pedigree on the web.  ‘Pedigrees available upon request’ means they don’t want you to know what their pedigrees are.  Why would that be?
  5. Champion lines.  This means there is 1 champion in 20 generations, not that THEY show their dogs.
  6. Health clearances listed for grandparents, not parents. This is a classic.  YOU MUST CHECK EVERY GENERATION.  To rely on the work of the former generation is lazy and neglectful.
  7. Extravagant price for a puppy you could get in almost any backyard.  Check what other breeders are selling their puppies for.  A higher price should mean a higher standard: The parents should have health clearances CLEARLY displayed; The pedigree should be CLEARLY displayed with health clearances of at least the first few generations; Parents should be PROVEN in harness, the show ring, or obedience;  The health warranty should reflect the higher price; and Support should be real and active.
  8. Doing something with their dogs besides just breeding them.  So you just want pet.  You want a healthy one that looks like a Malamute don’t you?  Buying a show champion or working champion and advertising champion-sired does not mean the breeder is doing anything but buying with an eye towards advertising.  Ask how many of their dogs are DOING something besides breeding?  One, two?  If they own 10 dogs, it seems a little strange that only one of them is actually getting outside the kennel yard and DOING something.   If they own 30 dogs, you’d hope to see some sort of indication that they didn’t LIVE in those kennels 24/7, do they get to go somewhere besides for a photo opportunity several years ago?
  9. Their dogs are AKC or UKC registered.  There are 30+ registries in the US, and the vast majority of them are fly-by-night bogus registries whose sole purpose is to provide “registration papers” to satisfy a gullible public.  Anyone with a desktop printer can give you papers, but do they mean anything?  Do these registries have kennel inspections, a DNA program, dog shows, and 100 years of stud books?
  10. Breeding for size.  Sounds a little confusing, but breeding for size means you put that first.  So you can have a stud dog who produces hip displasia, or  has littermates who are hip displastic, but you ignore that because he also produces size.  Or a dog who is big himself, but he has a crippled foot, so you breed him anyway.  You can have a brood bitch who produces evil temperaments, but they are pretty, so you keep breeding her.  When you breed for one thing, over the entire rest of the Standard, than you’re setting yourself up to make compromises.  That hurts the puppies and their owners.

A good breeder is a good breeder is a good breeder, no matter the size of their dogs.

But the wise puppy buyer will recognize hype when they hear it.  The standard is what makes a Malamute a Malamute, it’s our blue print, not something to be sneered at.  No one should fabricate lies about the history of our wonderful breed or the actual size of their dogs.  A good breeder cares:

  • That they are breeding Malamutes who look like Malamutes;
  • About the mental and physical welfare of their brood bitches and stud dogs and gives them things to do besides breeding;
  • Who they sell puppies to and requires applications and contracts — signed, not just available if you want one;
  • For the future health and welfare of their puppies.

A good breeder produces puppies they are proud of, for the life of the puppy, no matter how much they weigh.

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